Swingers, hitters, and, "*"ers

[Daryl]

Longitudinal or Radial. Two available alignments to accelerate the Club. Swing or Hit.

[KevCarter]

[Sorry Daryl, Your visibility makes your answer convenient as a general expansion point for the thread theme}

Maybe both- longitudinal acceleration of a radial motion.

Now.

Maybe the answer is in Chapter #13.

Maybe it’s not- and that’s why Chapter #13 is so short.

Maybe Chapter #13 is wrong, either in the specific instant or in general.

Gasp! Horrors?

The Bear

I've just looked at chapter 13 in both 6 and 7. I must be a little dense, no surprise, but I can't figure out the point you are trying to make?

Kevin

[KevCarter]

I said;

"Maybe both- longitudinal acceleration of a radial motion."

For instance - Zero Hip Action is the Hip Action that is compatible with Zero Pivot. Again – Straight Line Power Package Delivery is not possible with the Shiftless Hip Turn. Again – Pull Stroke (Left Arm Swing) rules out the use of Radial Acceleration (10-19-A).

Seems to me Daryl had it right...

[KevCarter]

You may conclude that if U wish.
BUT
Not if you read my #5 above in its entirety.

The Bear

OK. Good luck with that.

[KevCarter]

I understand dogma but I also understand "continuous improvement". Many times they are non-interchangeable actions as in Chapter #13 but I like to think and reason. I will continue that til the dirt blanket is rolled over me- By any method that happens will be ok.

The Bear

That's really cool. Good luck!

Kevin

[BerntR]

I said;
Pull stroke rules out the use of Radial Acceleratioon (10-19-A)

How the rope handling powers the stroke is IMO one of the most misunderstood topics of TGM.

The only way you can create clubhead speed is to pull from ahead or push from behind. The physics involved is very simple.

If you want to create speed by pulling - on a linear path, you'd better run fast If you do it on a circular path, you need to pull from something that rotates and stays ahead on the curve. Like turning left shoulder. Or the turning hands, kept out in orbit and ahead of the clubhead by extencior action. Luckily, that's what happens when you do the rope handling thing.

Anything you do to speed up the club can be decomposed as pulling and pushing (and torquing if you wish). Newton is very clear on this point: In order to do any work (and work here is create clubhead speed) you have to apply forces with the same direction as the motion. Pulling a rope from a swing center (centripetal acceleration) doesn't increase or reduce swing speed no matter how heavy it feels. It only conserves. Pulling from a point that is leading ahead on the curve and torqed around the swing center conservs and increases at the same time.

As long as the left shoulder stays ahead of the hands, and the hands stays ahead of the clubhead in the turn, any pulling will add speed. If you try to push on a straight line you will run out of arms in no time. Hitting and swinging are both depending on a turning pivot that leads the hands through impact.

[BerntR]

Perhaps we can cut to the chase if you define pull (as you see it) and describe your throw.

Would you for instance regard pp#1 active as pulling the club or pushing the left hand?

[KevCarter]

Throwing- more pivot involvement- long left shoulder radius- pull to "upset" (tumble)- as club is accelerated pull goes from all radial to inline at impact. THIS IS A FEEL.

For hitting. I feel #1 is pulling the left at top and switches to pushing as right forearm gets on plane. I push at the ball then let the pivot carry around.

Those are my feels.

The Bear

Tumble... now I understand where you're coming from...

Like I said before, good luck, I hope it works well you!

[HungryBear]

Like I said before, good luck, I hope it works well you!

Like i said- Just an experiment based on some reading.

But

Needing that luck. it is also good that this is a game to me. I am lucky that I dont use it to try and make a living.

I'll leave the original question and watch for substantive amplification.

The Bear

[BerntR]

c'mon bear,

I am curious.

This is what we do here at LBG. Toss out ideas, dissect them and find out what they're really made of.

Describe the thrower so we can get a interesting discussion out of this.