Always too much in during my start up???
 

my swing is always too much in during start up and and backstroke. From top to impact it is really good, but it bugs me that it comes to much in during my takeaway.

I don't get how you make a start up swivel If you start with bent left and flat right. Every time my right west goes to bent and left flat then my club head goes under the plane I want because I get horizontal bending of my wrist.

Even if I feel the club go straight back and up very up my swing is too much in.

Even if I try a lagging clubhead takeaway that feels back and straight up, I'm under plane.

How do you take the club back on plane?

NDWOLFE, 7-3 is where it's at for me. Swinging or hitting, it's the right forearm takeaway that gets the club on plane. Extremely simple procedure to learn IMHO.

Kevin

You swinging the club is almost always the result of a shoulder turn to kickstart the golf swing.

To combat that, you can either retard the shoulder turn until your hands are hip high or if you have to turn, then turn the shoulders steep - just like how Stack and Tilt would prescribe.

I like that term "kickstart" - I've always felt it gives "oomph" to the swing - more than just getting the hands/right shoulder to a correct position, it seems to give a more powerful DS.

I understand why you prefer the steep shoulder action instead of the flat shoulder turn - you don't like to lift the arms, so it's necessary in order to throw the arms up, and get the steeper arm plane you want.

A clubshaft that goes in and under the plane of the right forearm will necessitate some form of arm lifting to complete the backswing. This almost always causes a false sense of a proper turn and facilitates a cast to initiate the downswing - a reverse loop process.

No offense to any anyone, we all know there are as many ways to swing as there are golfers. I see the "kick start" as a little more advanced procedure. First one must master the alignments of basic motion, which I enjoy teaching from impact fix. We then need to take those alignments to acquired and total motion. I love Mr. Kelley's post book idea of the easiest way to learn:

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STARTING OVER WITH G.O.L.F. HOMER KELLEY

"If I were starting to play golf, this is what I would concentrate on. It's what it all boils down to. It's even simpler than The Triad."

♦ At Fix, establish your Flat, Level and Vertical Left Wrist and your On Plane Right Forearm Angle of Approach (7-3).

♦ At Start Up, take your Hands Up, Back, and In on the Plane of your Right Forearm.

♦ Through Impact, return to the Fix Hand Location and the established Right Forearm Angle of Approach.

From that foundation, focus on the imperatives and essentials while monitoring the pressure points. Sounds simple, and it works for me. I'm not sure yet if this simplicity can totally work in with my teaching, but I believe anyone can master basic hitting no matter what their physical condition. As players get more advanced, they add Power Accumulators until we get to 4 Barrel Hitting.

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Once mastered, four barrels and the "kick start" will come in very handy, while maintaing RFT. Personally, it will be difficult for me to trust moving forward from the basic concept. So much precision! Mr Hart tells us that the best way for beginners to play is through a very basic hitting procedure and acquired motion. Little bullets down the middle. What a great way to build some confidence.

Kevin

I love this stuff. The hands are clamps and ya just move the machine. Boom!